Not Too Important [Updated]

11 06 2008

Sometimes I wonder how exactly McCain plans on winning by embracing the Iraq War.  Today, he said that when troops come home from Iraq is “not too important.”  Nice.

Granted, his argument is that if troops stop dying, then all is well.  There are two problems with this, however.

The first is that the American people have shown no inclination to want to keep troops in Iraq, even if the situation settles down.  Even now that it has been perceived that violence is much lower than it used to be, we still have over 60% of Americans who want to pull troops out in “1 to 2 years” at the latest and only 30% approve of the war. (though I should note to the people who wish to defund the war…despite everything, the last poll I saw still only showed 22% who wanted to pull out immediately)

The second is the same problem as McCain’s 100 years in Iraq statement, which is following the same philosophy as his statement today: OK, if things are all well and good if troops stop dying, how long are you willing to stay in Iraq until you accomplish that?  How many more years of troops dying are you willing to have?  He has never answered this, and some fantasy “but things WILL get better, so don’t you worry about it” attitude isn’t an answer.

Update:

You knew it was coming:

I mean the obvious fact is that more than most any American, Senator McCain knows the sacrifices that our men and women in uniform make, and the burden that their families bear. And it really is wrong to suggest otherwise. And obviously he knows that from his own — well, from his father’s service, and the impact it had on his family; from his own service and incarceration…

So, since McCain served in Vietnam, he can’t be wrong. But what about Kerry who also served in Vietnam? Well, I guess being a POW makes you an even bigger expert on whether it is “important” to being troops home.

Look, I think McCain could be honored for his service in Vietnam, and no one should go through what he went through as a POW, but look: saying that he’s a veteran and a POW and thus he can’t be wrong is a fallacious argument, if for no other reason than because we have such people on both sides of the debate. They can’t both be right, and it’s obviously a logical fallacy to argue that the only veterans who are right by virtual of being veterans also just happen to all agree with your position.

Obviously whether a person is a veteran or not is not the determining factor on whether someone is right or wrong in this debate, and if that’s the case, then what *is* the determining factor? That question may have various answers depending on who you ask, but one of the answers is definitely not “because he’s a veteran.”





Gang Signs

11 06 2008

No, no racism in the comment thread here at all.

Some gems:

Klassy! Love the gang signs too.

Yep, the fist bump…definitely a gang sign.

a real woman wouldn’t go near that piece of sh*t. my daughter dated one of them once and he had the same lack of respect and low intelligence.

I love the oblique reference to “one of them.”

Please someone save my country from these savages.

Yup, because black people doing (perceived to be) black things are all savages. But it has a great follow up…

Can you please not use the word savages? The zoids are looking for (non-existant) proof that this site is racist, which it is not.

Yeah, not racist. Please don’t use racist language, lest we be accused of being racist.

What I see is a pwhipped half black man getting some much needed approval from his ALL black liberation theology loving wife.

So Obama uses his wife to feel “fully black”? Nice.

lmao, well thats a big fat black ass to slap !

Because black women only have fat asses.

I can not believe this jerk wants to become my president, does not even know how to behave!! He lies, he uses drugs, he hangs around with bunch of Chicago thugs and gangesters, now he wants to become my president!

I believe that should be “He used drugs” and then got over it. By the way, so did Bill Clinton. And John McCain’s wife was addicted to and stole pain killers. So who are you going to vote for now?

I would vote for an experienced and qualified black man, but no to a bunch of hip-hopping monkeys and a “whitey” screeching gorilla.

He won’t vote for hip-hopping and “whitey” screeching monkeys and gorillas, but he will vote for experienced monkeys and gorillas. Oh yeah, and no one has actually seen a video of Obama’s wife saying Whitey, so it may be best to not say that she has before you make an ass of yourself.

WHat most Americans do not know is that gesture Barack Obama exchanged with his wife was also used back in the 1950s for black power.

Did you know that Hitler gave other people handshakes? Oh my god! Everyone who gives other people handshakes are Nazis!!!!1!

MEchelle is so GROSS. I bet having sex with her is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

I’d like a heaping serving of sexism with my racism, please. Oh yeah, and all black woman are, by definition, loose.

First there was Larry Sinclair’s allegations that he and Obama did drugs and engaged in gay sex in Chicago in November, 1999.

That’s a new one to me. Oh yeah, please add some homophobia to my sexism and racism please.

After my last front pager, I’ve been getting spam email from Obamadingdongs and bots accusing me of hating black people. The’re calling ME racist!

I couldn’t imagine why.